Problems with P2W system

[aquaricky]

Like i said before, I have seen it too much times. Im a Non maller and i have an interest in game design. I have always thought this game was fun and i like alot of others see the very stupid trend in this game. GM and designers are greedy and wanna make a fast dollar instead of making consistent money, a reputation for actually doing things right and a long lasting server. If you put any direct combat boost into the item mall the game either becomes pay to win (due to high prices where non mallers cannot afford) or it becomes boring because all your players reach end game way 2 fast.

Like i said before if an item is way 2 rare put more ways to farm it into the game play at all levels and not the mall (eg gems). This gives players more things to do and evens out the rarity of the item. Then to monetize this you simply sell gem related boosts (convenience items) such as forging fruits, catalysts etc these items do not give direct boosts and are cheap yes required. Thus the more persons play your game and farm gems naturally is the more they will need to buy these "Convenience Items" and thats how u make a long lasting server. If u had added Uneck and rings to special bosses in new maps OR add a quest that requires players to gather multiple items EVERYONE would have been happy. You would have automatically added game content, stimulated the game economy and make use of the tones of mobs in this game that are basically untouched, but hey i guess u hacked Tales of pirates just to replicate them.

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”. - Albert Einstein

 

[Vladist]

yo i have to agree, i mean, you could have made the necks farmable for real.. then people wouldn't be able to really complain that there's nothing to do.. add more content yo, i understand that you want "vanilla" server but i don't see why you're so afraid to make changes.. ToP wasn't totally perfect, i'm pretty sure we can all agree there, you can maintain the originality whilst adding your own stuff.
@Zankza in my opinion putting Unecks for 249 and rings for 149? not to mention they're random.. you're making the game pay to win, just in case you don't see it, let me explain. you put an item that every single player wants in the mall and you make it super expensive, so not only do non-mallers have a harder time getting the item, less of the item will be sold, because people will purchase less. now not to mention that the scrolls have a random factor, this will raise the price for some rings drastically (str/spr specifically) because. as i said, the price + random factor makes it even more rare to get... this may just spark a raise in the price of rum in game, thereby raising the price of every other item in the mall. with current price of rum in game, that's 6.2m for a Uneck and 7.4m for 2 rings, 13.6m total

 

[Topcaribes]

I want to buy more rum package, but does not eat any bonus item, and the store has items, which really make me buy more rum package
These expensive, with prices and rare equipment and items from the server will die sooner than expected
Missing: w8less, set DA, green Mordo, junior Mordo, Dark Emissary, Mr. Ring, and the most important gems to resurrect the soul of the game is that the PVP and MVM
puts these items to get us out of boredom, just lvl
Zankza we hear players please

 

[Jasper]

ch makes you stronger and people can not receive unless they farm money for days/weeks until they can afford something.

- Unique necks and rings - Non-mallers wont get 2 pair of lv 60 rings within next 6 months unless they have a very nice friend.

hi? I can buy 2 rings if I wanted to right now. Mallers have been selling them for a drastically lower price if you compare it with the current rum:gold ratio.

 

[Karton]

I want to buy more rum package, but does not eat any bonus item, and the store has items, which really make me buy more rum package
These expensive, with prices and rare equipment and items from the server will die sooner than expected
Missing: w8less, set DA, green Mordo, junior Mordo, Dark Emissary, Mr. Ring, and the most important gems to resurrect the soul of the game is that the PVP and MVM
puts these items to get us out of boredom, just lvl
Zankza we hear players please

its enough for now
mordo is obtainable through fairybox ...
i would loved it if it stayed that way
.Abba equips will never happen i hope you were joking

 

[Vladist]

so mallers have been selling for less price, so right now it's not totally bad, but we'll see how this thing goes @Zankza

 

[Karton]

hi? I can buy 2 rings if I wanted to right now. Mallers have been selling them for a drastically lower price if you compare it with the current rum:gold ratio.

Thank you player caring mallers

 

[Gr33d]

hi? I can buy 2 rings if I wanted to right now. Mallers have been selling them for a drastically lower price if you compare it with the current rum:gold ratio.

that depends on the seller you find i guess. Saw lvl60 ring for 5m and lvl40 for 2m which part of those are drastically low prices?

 

[Jasper]

that depends on the seller you find i guess. Saw lvl60 ring for 5m and lvl40 for 2m which part of those are drastically low prices?

Of course, the str/con rings are the only ones in demand right now. But the rest, blah. You won't have to pay the actual 25k/30k per rum price

 

[Draconus]

not quite!!! you see even if u malled 3k rums what are u ganna use 'em for? caz its not like u can buy uns 65 from mall or anything. buying x99 nanas or hb will sure save u time but it wont make u "OP". and just for the record the top 5-10 top ppl here are not only hardcore mallers but they also are hardcore non-lifers, u see what am tryna say?

Stack Nanas/HBs (Pretty much how many u need to get 65) = 600 rum
Fork/App Set = Another 150+
Fairy + Skills + Fruits + Rations = another 1000 or so
Unique Necks/Rings/Corals = At least 500 and you wont get all right ones from 1st time
And then there are other shyts. Basiclly all add up to 3k and thats just for now.
U might say it wont make u OP? Well now maybe not, but considering until non-maller farms to get all that stuff, a maller will have few weeks of time to do other things.

 

[xTotem]

Stack Nanas/HBs (Pretty much how many u need to get 65) = 600 rum
Fork/App Set = Another 150+
Fairy + Skills + Fruits + Rations = another 1000 or so
Unique Necks/Rings/Corals = At least 500 and you wont get all right ones from 1st time
And then there are other shyts. Basiclly all add up to 3k and thats just for now.
U might say it wont make u OP? Well now maybe not, but considering until non-maller farms to get all that stuff, a maller will have few weeks of time to do other things.

600 rums? xD Pls dude, u can hit lv60 w 250 if u wanna go "hard" and then wait for hexa.

1k rums lvling fairys? u can easly buy 1 and marry it with another player

500 points? There's something called trade.

And Rums are 20-25k ea. An average player can farm a lot of money daily to buy rums to players

What do you expect, a NON maller server? How it is supposed to pay the hosting and a full time job (Zankza)?

Go play another PS then. All of them have unseal and broken gems on mall ( :

 

[aquaricky]

Which is y that basically crash and burn... item mall is for convenience items its not a cheat code to end game. Go play an actual sucessful MMORPG they dont sell gear in the item mall or gems

 

[salvio formisano]

Iten Mall is necessary. But the prices are too expensive. The double than the original. And every week you had a bonus itens by buying imps.Anyway, all we're asking is a fair system. We're playing TOP because we love it. There is a lot of improvement he can do but he deny to do this. And is rude with his players. He is acting like our boss but he isnt.

All i ask is a more fair pricing and leveling system. Is too hard farm money if youre not maller.

 

[Draconus]

600 rums? xD Pls dude, u can hit lv60 w 250 if u wanna go "hard" and then wait for hexa.

1k rums lvling fairys? u can easly buy 1 and marry it with another player

500 points? There's something called trade.

And Rums are 20-25k ea. An average player can farm a lot of money daily to buy rums to players

What do you expect, a NON maller server? How it is supposed to pay the hosting and a full time job (Zankza)?

Go play another PS then. All of them have unseal and broken gems on mall ( :

First of all Hexa isnt weekly thing.
About Fairies, yes, and I doubt 1k will do it (2x10*29 + Marriage fruit + 20x*29 + Rations/Skills)

U rly thing people will trade acc rings for str? D

Plox delete urself with last comment xD

PS: I never said it's unplayable etc, I just proved point it's pay to win.

 

[ayhan123]

First of all Hexa isnt weekly thing.
About Fairies, yes, and I doubt 1k will do it (2x10*29 + Marriage fruit + 20x*29 + Rations/Skills)

U rly thing people will trade acc rings for str? D

Plox delete urself with last comment xD

PS: I never said it's unplayable etc, I just proved point it's pay to win.

what would you propose then? all i see is a guy who isnt even playing trying to sabotage the server. Why do you cry so much exe? why dont you just i dont know , not visit the forum if you dont even want to play? , feels like you just dont want this server to succeed because you decided to not play it.
Mall gives you advantage? sure , does it give you a advantage that cant be closed ? no , why? because for leveling you cant get past lvl 70 easily , for gems there is lvl 3 cap , uq necks and rings were sold for so cheap because mallers bought a lot , i saw lvl 60 str rings being sold for 5-6m and my friend even bought 1 . 5-6m is easily farmable in a week or somethng. There isnt a better ring you can get , same goes for necks , there isnt a better neck you can get. So why are you all crying about p2w?

 

[aquaricky]

what would you propose then? all i see is a guy who isnt even playing trying to sabotage the server. Why do you cry so much exe? why dont you just i dont know , not visit the forum if you dont even want to play? , feels like you just dont want this server to succeed because you decided to not play it.
Mall gives you advantage? sure , does it give you a advantage that cant be closed ? no , why? because for leveling you cant get past lvl 70 easily , for gems there is lvl 3 cap , uq necks and rings were sold for so cheap because mallers bought a lot , i saw lvl 60 str rings being sold for 5-6m and my friend even bought 1 . 5-6m is easily farmable in a week or somethng. There isnt a better ring you can get , same goes for necks , there isnt a better neck you can get. So why are you all crying about p2w?

Are u stupid??? 5-6 mil is not easily farmable im not even new and i cannot get that easy. U can say that cuz ur probably destroying ds /fc since your an early player maybe a maller who knows. But this is even worst for newer players what u want them to do? all of them camp smugglers lol and wait for the 0.25% drop of nss ? Stop tlkin about how easy it is for u to farm with your already strong player plz

 

[ayhan123]

the key point is . There are caps at lvls , gems etc. Even if you mall 10k$ at best you will have lvl 3 gems and lvl 70

 

[ayhan123]

Are u stupid??? 5-6 mil is not easily farmable im not even new and i cannot get that easy. U can say that cuz ur probably destroying ds /fc since your an early player maybe a maller who knows. But this is even worst for newer players what u want them to do? all of them camp smugglers lol and wait for the 0.25% drop of nss ? Stop tlkin about how easy it is for u to farm with your already strong player plz

you can farm 50 nss in a day if you know what you are doing(not smugglers) you can put alts to chop at fortune tree , you can go manufacture flash bombs and other stuff to sell. You people only love to cry but you never play this game to this fullest.

 

[Jasper]

Are u stupid??? 5-6 mil is not easily farmable im not even new and i cannot get that easy. U can say that cuz ur probably destroying ds /fc since your an early player maybe a maller who knows. But this is even worst for newer players what u want them to do? all of them camp smugglers lol and wait for the 0.25% drop of nss ? Stop tlkin about how easy it is for u to farm with your already strong player plz

I can get 3 - 6m, or even more a day. I do it by grinding silver mine for the nss while waiting for customers to buy plvl. lmao. idk why i can do it and you guys can't. LOL

 

[Moxie]

Whats your IGN @Jasper