Planned Adjustment to DE Guns

[xmarwan]

I'm not going to post about other classes, since there are more experienced people to see what fits them, but for SS Death Guns which are Abaddon Vanquisher Abaddon Vanquisher , both seem good but they do take a lot of SSs power because of the -%ATK Speed, I see those should be adjusted or removed from them, losing a lot of ATK Speed for SS, it's already taking a lot of the class.. I wonder who even thought about having a gun should make u lose speed but a bow makes u faster.. Chinese mind so weird

 

[xmarwan]

I wanna add something to that, it's not just Death Guns … but all the guns in the game with Attack speed penalty.

if it is by "logic" that a sharpshooter should be 1 OS class, then it's also logical that guns are faster than bows...

 

[Drakos94]

But it is logical to add -attack speed to guns since there are bows as well for SS. There is a Death Bow as well Haven't seen it yet on this server

 

[xmarwan]

So u are saying by logic, a bow is faster than a gun? @Drakos94

And there r some dt bows around u won’t see them cuz they are fused or so..

 

[Elven Ranger]

Guns have higher min and max attk than bows thats why some guns have atkspeed penalty also there are guns like battle rifle that dosent have a penalty on the atkspeed.

One more thing +10 agi vanquisher gets rid of most of the atkspeed penalty.

 

[xmarwan]

I tried both agi and acc death guns, xD believe me when I tell u I had more attack speed using a cardiac gun than any of those, and it is only 150 max attack difference from the agi one..

 

[sarenokai]

I currently use the Abaddon Vanquisher and am working on getting the Kiss of Death

I don't think the bow really needs an adjustment. with its +12% attack speed and 50 movement speed and natural longer range it is an amazing weapon. True you lose your seals, but thats the handoff of using something this good. I think other bows really should have at least some bonus to attack speed besides the lvl 35 one. I mean its hard enough to find the BP for bow of dawn/dusk/rainbow. at least make them worth it.

As for the guns, The acc version of the gun is just undesirable. at this point in the game you are 1 hit or close to it unless you have a near max BD hearts. you can't be slow to attack. if this is suppose to be the best gun to get it really needs to be amazing. to do that take away the attack speed debuff.

 

[xmarwan]

Agree, bow is awesome only adjustment it needs.. goes for the spr one.. + that there is lack of bows around the game the only useful one and easy to get other than death bow is the twilight.. but with the random stats it’s not worth going for bow SS

 

[Drakos94]

@xmarwan yes, indeed

 

[Check]

marwan nuv af, gun already op stfu ty

 

[xmarwan]

marwan nuv af, gun already op stfu ty

Mishker mad cuz he begged ..

 

[pedro jose]

is correct the penalty is too high = / Kiss of the Cursed


an example 180 atack speed minus the cost of -12% are in total -25 points thrown in the garbage and your wind gems in boots would not do any good! why 5+ with a decrease of + 15% are 2 points = C is too sad

and not to mention 110% to try to take advantage of it because with 110% are almost 10m thrown away to reduce -1.48% of 12% = / disgust the truth



what could be done is that the 110% modifies a lower cost instead of -1.48% doing it in the middle of each gun -12% and forging 110% making that cost -6% that would be a great advantage without modifying = D


@Developer

 

[Drakos94]

Um... you know that is not quite possible right?
Weapon being enhanced to 110% means it gets a bonus of 10% of it's original 100% and furthermore it would unballance the difference between guns and bows.

 

[xmarwan]

Doesn’t upgrading a gun to 110% makes it worse? -10% would be -11%.. well never thought of that

 

[xmarwan]

I like how people vote against something, but at least state your opinion why this should not happen or at least suggest something better maybe.

I hate making uservoice xD people would vote against what I say even without reading

 

[sarenokai]

The only gun that could potentially be better than the vanquisher is the Lightning Taser but that would have to be a max roll item (IE 19 agi 19 acc or something close to that)
right now I don't think you can get that blueprint. to make it since it is level 8.

When I was first planning my SS I was looking for the best potential weapons and this one was by far my favorite. a crusader can get +10% attack speed EACH WEAPON.like with the Blade of Enigma I don't think a SS should have this stupid debuff it just ruins the potentially great weapons like the Blitz Thunderbolt . I mean -19% attack speed??? that just made a great weapon into NPC trash.

 

[xmarwan]

Well as I said before, original developers of this game thought more of crusaders than any other class that they made some weird stuff that makes no sense for all other classes.. spr for ss? Acc for voy? Worse dt eqs for sm?

I know we are trying to stick to the original game content here, but still that doesn’t make the game is perfect and unmodifiable..

Hope we get a reply from @Developer about this, others concerned about other classes should also make uservoice to adjust them, rather than just ask in discord.

 

[pedro jose]

I'm not talking about improving 110% that would be stupid

most you put 110% on the inusualed gun. only by 2 points that are -12% and the increase of max


It is illogical that while the others have OP teams! in its stat as cross bonus of 10% it would be fair that only by placing 110% on a gun would the cost of agi be reduced by half! that would be a big difference !, and not so notorious!


as a clear example: it is without having 110%.
have its normal cost! of reduction and as you go up from 100% to 110% have a significant decrease! to the half! instead of being -12% it is -6% of constr with 110%



currently only reduces 1.48% by throwing millions in 110%

 

[xmarwan]

I would just suggest this:

Abaddon Vanquisher attack speed penalty to be removed, since it is the "Agi" version of it so it should have the most ASPD

As for

Abaddon Vanquisher it can be lowered to -5% only, given that it is the "Acc" which means its more of an offensive gun, so a small penalty might make sense, but I would even prefer it to be removed ..

I would go even for the unsealed 65 that should be a lesser version of those two
Rifle of Enigma the penalty should be more like -8% and the +8 spr states could be changed to +6 con states, since SPR makes totally no sense...

I wouldn't go for the other guns as they are dropped with random stats that's how it has been for them, you could get a good one or one that is totally useless.

I'm suggesting this based on discussion with guild mates not just my own opinion just to let u all know.

 

[markvita7]

cute i agree